April 20 chat discussion

5:48 PM Rachel has joined

Vincent has joined

Rachel: hi !!!!

me: hi vincent

we were just working on what our direction might be.

5:49 PM Vincent: ok, i see

me: rachel, can you repeat your ideas for vincent?

5:51 PM Rachel: our design can be an universal design
it shows care for human
or we can search more things about the good old culture
like some charateristic or ways they treat each other

5:52 PM me: one idea that I would add, which might just be a modification of your first idea, rachel, is to develop a kind of "questionairre" that a designer would think through as he or she were developing a product

5:53 PM Ren seems to be inwardly focused...

so perhaps we deal with developing that appropriate mentalities in designers

5:54 PM Rachel: will that be a design for designers~?

me: perhaps,

or a set of design principles that designers should follow

5:55 PM to abide by ren

Rachel: i see.

Vincent: It's interesting

5:58 PM Rachel: i wanna talk about my understanding about this~

me: OK

5:59 PM Rachel: some prduct that is made by the principle of Ren, and can express the idea of ren

for the material, usage and every aspect so on...

6:00 PM what's urs understanding

6:02 PM Vincent: In my opnion, it's a design for the interaction between people

me: that's interesting too

Vincent: Maybe is not a tangiable product

6:03 PM could be a service to

Rachel: oh~

me: I think the principles can be developed into the making of the product, or it can moderate interaction

6:04 PM Rachel: that gives me some idea about the public devices

6:05 PM something that all passengers can see and use,

me: what do you mean by "public devices"?

Rachel: and through their interation, promote the idea of ren

6:06 PM accommodation?

6:07 PM me: can you give me an example?

Rachel: the bus stop

6:08 PM me: OK

Rachel: park or benches

6:11 PM Vincent: I've found a video clip about a design that improve the interaction between people

It's SONY Ericsson W595 Walkman TV commercial

6:12 PM about sharing music with someone

6:13 PM me: so the guy in the video is sharing his experience through his phone?

6:14 PM Rachel: he' s just sharing music

Vincent: yes, just sharing music

me: I guess I don't understand why the people are showing him a bicycle for two

6:15 PM Vincent: haha

Rachel: it's expresssing the idea of sharing

for commercial

6:16 PM me: OK

6:17 PM Rachel: matthew can u expain your idea more

explain

6:18 PM me: sure

6:21 PM By creating a set of principles with which designers can think about what they are creating,

6:22 PM you can help develop design based on ren for anything

6:23 PM perhaps it would be similar to sustainability principles, such as LEED

do you have LEED in Taiwan?

6:25 PM Rachel: i don't know actually

me: LEED is a set of principles for architects to develop sustainable buildings with

however it may not be the best model because it is "letter of the law" and

6:26 PM it is arguable whether the principles really are better for the environment

Vincent: here comes the wiki ~

Rachel: ha

6:27 PM me: the guidelines are very specific

Rachel: i think it can be one way~

me: but if we were to create a set of guidelines that were more general, designers would just have them to think about and would operate within the guidelines if they wanted to live by ren

6:29 PM Rachel: i think we should transform it to service system, or product

6:30 PM me: service system for what?

Rachel: i have no idea now~

6:31 PM i just think it wil be hard to think of principles, if it relates toomuch to laws

and it differs in different countries

6:32 PM Vincent: i think we can start from developing the principle, but after all we still have to come out with some new design

Rachel: it's true

6:33 PM me: it would be tough, but interesting because we would have to bridge cultures

Rachel: right

Vincent: ya, we can try that