May 3 Chat

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7:16 PM Rachel: Hi there

7:17 PM me: are you both there still?

I am sorry I am late. I got carried away with another task

Rachel: it's fine~

7:18 PM me: Vincent, are you there?

7:19 PM Rachel: um........shall we wait for a while?

me: mmm

7:20 PM Rachel: i am reading your post

me: I haven't posted

Must be vincent's

Vincent: hey I'm back

Rachel: oh! Yes

7:21 PM me: welcome vincent

Vincent: :)

7:22 PM so let's start from our idea developments

me: Yes, but I haven't posted yet, I am sorry.

Vincent: that's ok

7:23 PM you can talk about it now

Rachel: I did it in a hurry too

so ...

Vincent: me too

Rachel: need your suggestions

7:24 PM me: did you take those photos, vincent?

Vincent: no, I find them by Google :)

7:25 PM me: O

I really like the photo of the grills

Rachel: quite beautiful~

7:26 PM Vincent: yes it is

but most of grills in Taiwan are ugly

me: he he

I like the part of the grill idea that changes them not from keeping people out, but of connecting people

7:27 PM I like rachel's idea about the door turning into a table

but I am wondering if it would be used

7:28 PM Rachel: i think both ideas can be combined

but sucurity and some other problems need more scussion

discussion

7:30 PM original concept was imagining a scene that neighbors can have one area for more communication

7:31 PM me: I think the challenge—at least in the US—is not that there isn't a place, but that there isn't the time or interest.

we have lost our sense of community—at least in larger cities

7:32 PM Rachel: probably same here in Taiwan

if we can figure some solutions, that would be good

7:34 PM me: right

The trends I see all show people moving toward virtual "communities" where people share interests.

7:35 PM such as forums for clubs, old people, cyclists etc

7:36 PM I am part of a church community, but in the same sense, we all share common values

I think that is what happens when you live in a densely populated area...

(including the virtual world on the web)

7:37 PM ...you start to leave what was once the community—your neighborhood—and spend more time with people that share your perspective and values

Vincent: well It's true

7:38 PM me: and it is hard or strange to just start talking to people that you don't know

7:39 PM perhaps, like the umbrella idea, people could advertise a little about themselves, like "my dog's name is buster" and display that so people could start a conversation about it if they wanted

7:40 PM by displaying something passively, they would be putting themselves out, for other people to see and take interest in

Rachel: oh! something like twitter or blog

7:41 PM me: yeah, and a display. Maybe an LED display that you could wear, like a badge or something

7:42 PM Rachel: i like this idea.

me: or perhaps it could be woven into clothing...

or installed on a backpack

7:43 PM Rachel: um..how can we transform this more to a ren design

me: However, we would need to think about how to keep people from saying mean things on it...or maybe they just would

Vincent: start form the same interest is the way to creat interaction

Rachel: it's possible that it will turn out to be something just to make friends

7:44 PM me: which is good too, right?

Rachel: yes~

7:45 PM Vincent: I don't think to make friends is far away from "REN"

7:46 PM me: ...but maybe it isn't as close as it could be...

Vincent: yeah it's true

me: say more, rachel

7:47 PM Rachel: some websites like facebook or others can share similar ideas

me: what would be different if we were to bring that into real life?

Rachel: but we would not connect it directly to good humanity or ren

7:48 PM so i think if we design this,

Vincent: unless we make them help each other

Rachel: besides of knowing others, some other good principles shall be included

7:49 PM me: right.

Rachel: though i cannot think of some suggestions now~

7:50 PM me: I like the idea of sharing things at the bus stops, rachel.

—like books

7:51 PM But I feel like there needs to be something more that will get people to actually talk to each other.

unless the idea is just to share books...

7:52 PM Rachel: originally i tried to make this bus stop a warm place

7:53 PM book is one basic thing that i thought of...more values are need

me: perhaps magazines, or short articles

maybe poetry?

Rachel: ha

7:54 PM i tried to add something more besides of reading

me: what if bus shelters had poetry on the walls, that changed from day to day

Rachel: that's kind of individual thig

oh~that's pretty ren

me: perhaps you could make a culture where people would talk about the poetry

7:55 PM Rachel: then it will be one site to promote the idea to citizens

not bad

me: one other thing with people in public, at least in the US, there are a lot of people that listen to music instead of talking to people around them.

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Vincent: hmm a lot people walking on the strret with there i-pod

7:57 PM me: ...so they don't talk

7:58 PM Vincent, talk more about the idea of connecting the grills...

7:59 PM Vincent: how about use i-pod to creat interaction

8:00 PM me: Perhaps...

Rachel: link the MP3 player to one public devices...

8:01 PM Vincent: well I just think we can change the grills into a way to communicate with neighbors

me: ....when you are listening to an ipod and you get close to another ipod, your ipod turns off the music and says, go talk to that other person with the ipod

Rachel: but i don't want them to play it loud indeed

Vincent: ha

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me: rachel, you keep leaving.

Vincent: if my i-pod thurns off every time iI get close people

8:02 PM me: then you stay away?

ha ha

Vincent: I'll go vrazy

crazy

8:03 PM maybe it's a signal or vibration?

me: that's interesting

it would be just a subtle reminder to be nice

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8:04 PM me: rachel, you there?

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8:05 PM Vincent: umm

me: rachel, are you haveing internet problems?

Vincent: hello Rachel :)

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Vincent: It seems to be yes

me: hmm

8:06 PM the subtle remind could come from your phone...or from any other device

but you have your phone with you all the time

8:07 PM Vincent: yes and think almost every people does

8:08 PM me: perhaps we could develop a service that just helps people meet their neighbors...

....going off rachel's idea of door turning into a window

Vincent: hm

8:09 PM me: What if you could just sign up to meet your neighbors, and then some service sent an invitation to everyone to gather at a local place—restaurant, and people just met,

?

Vincent: rachel say's that she'll try to log in again

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me: rachel?

Rachel: hey

here can u here me?

Vincent: yes

haha

8:10 PM Rachel: good~~

me: with that idea, no one would have to host the party, and there would not have to be any commitment. It could be like a blind date, but have multiple people there, to help make it safe

8:11 PM Rachel: oh blind date!

me: right, to meet your neighbors, not to find romance

Rachel: that will be a good idea to held it on the roof

8:12 PM i think do a grille design is not bad~

me: rachel, are you having problems with your internet?

Rachel: but safety is ....big problem

not now, i hope

8:13 PM me: yeah, the grills could be like TVs when you look out maybe

so you could have a chat with the neighbors...

but actually, in the US, we don't have grills, but we don't communicate with neighbors through the window.

8:14 PM do you chat with neighbors through the window in Taiwan if you don't have grills?

Rachel: depends what neighbors i have

8:15 PM but normally we have no possible connections between our houses

me: do you live in high rises?

Rachel: so the meeting place is always in the lobby or the elevator

apartments normally

Vincent: oh yeah, the elevators

Rachel: http://8jliving.com/node/695

8:16 PM my idea is kind of like this

Vincent: how about creat the interaction in elevator

Rachel: turn walls to doors

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8:17 PM me: elevators are hard

Rachel: i think that will be embrassing though

me: you are only in the elevator for a short time, so it is tough to get deep into a conversation

or to have a meaningful conversation

8:19 PM Rachel: by the way

http://8jliving.com/node/581

me: my school is in a very small high rise—only 14 floors, and I still don't see the same people

Rachel: it's another grille design

me: wow. That's cool.

Vincent: cool

8:20 PM Rachel: yes, but still security is one big problem

me: security is a problem with the fold down grill?

8:21 PM Rachel: cannot be too big or put too many things on it

me: oh

Rachel: i am afraid of falling down actually~~~

Vincent: ha

8:23 PM me: so far we have thought through a lot of ideas.

but our ideas are generally around not ignoring the people around us.

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8:24 PM Rachel: we have discussed about these

8:25 PM *terrace or grille
connection/chat

*bus stop
connection/sharing
music/ books/ poems etc


*umbrella
communication/sharing

me: *label thing

8:26 PM *neighbor blind date

*ipod/phone subtle reminder

Rachel: ha! that's not the original one for blind date~

8:27 PM i post another idea of sharing schedule

me: right...true.

Rachel: how do u think of this

8:28 PM if possible i think it can be one elements of the busstop

or in apartments/terrace ,etc

8:29 PM me: the blind date can be part of the terrace or bus stop?

Rachel: that's always one choice~

the users decide themselves

Vincent: right

8:30 PM me: decide what themselves?

Rachel: i think we cann't create any design for them to date

me: not to date, just to meet...

and not for romance

Rachel: just opportunities for them to talk

8:31 PM me: right

Rachel: and if it's not for the grille

we don't have to create space

8:33 PM me: We could do that...

8:34 PM Rachel: so far i like the idea of bus stop most

me: I wonder if it attacks the root problem of "unconcern"

Rachel: probably not

8:35 PM i think this contains most ideas of ren at least

can include this objectives to other designs too

Vincent: you meam the bus stop?

8:36 PM Rachel: yep~

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Rachel: we can think how to develop inner ren for individuals, and outside behaviors , such as sharing

me: rachel, tell us what about the bus stop makes it appropriate for solving this ren issue.

8:38 PM Rachel: it hits two targets~

inner feelings through reading or poems

oh ....you got computer problems...........................

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me: who has computer problems?

Rachel: you two just left the comversation two times~

8:40 PM gmail problems-"-

me: oh.

I didn't notice that I left

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Vincent: no I our perspective, you left two time eachel

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Vincent: and this is the third times

Rachel: anyway,let me finish~

yes! oops

(1)inner feelings through reading or poems

8:42 PM (2)outer behaviors like sharing books

oh....can u get my message

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me: but why is the bus stop a particularly good place for these objectives?

Rachel: not really

8:44 PM i just think this contains solutions in different aspects

and probably can influence more people

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me: It could be a book store, or a book reading area...

8:45 PM in a shopping mall or something.

Vincent: or a coffee shop

me: right

Rachel: um....right

8:46 PM if we want to contain book transfer

this should be a very common site

and probably not a store

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8:48 PM me: Down the street from my house, there is an old newspaper stand where people leave books

on the outside, it says "take a book, leave a book"

and there are always books in it.

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Rachel: oh! something like that

me: I have looked several times and the books don't look very appealing.

8:49 PM I wonder if there would be a way to get people to share books that they really find valuable or interesting

Rachel: there's always thing that we cannot control~

8:50 PM if they don't do this out of a sharing mind~

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me: right. good point.

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8:51 PM me: let's rest on this.

I need to get on to some other projects, including finishing my presentation.

Vincent: ok

8:52 PM me: do we have a chance to work on this together when we get there?

Vincent: It's time to go for me too

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me: are you both already at NCKU?

Vincent: I think so

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Vincent: yeah we are the student here

me: ah OK

8:53 PM are you undergrads or graduate students?

Vincent: I'm grad student

Rachel: i am junior

how about u

me: I am a grad student.

8:54 PM Rachel: btw when will u come to taiwan

me: I will get there on may 10

I think

Rachel: taiwan time

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me: yes

Vincent: hmm

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me: taiwan time

Vincent: ok

8:55 PM then we'll meet on that day

8:56 PM if you didn't feel too tired after a long fight.

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me: I hope not, but I probably will be tired.

Vincent: ha

8:57 PM It's true

Rachel: i got to go ...sorry

me: OK

I will post this conversation on the blog

Vincent: bye

Rachel: yep next time we can really discuss in Taiwan

me: so you think we will have time to work on this together once we get there?

(once I get there)

8:58 PM Rachel: we have 4 days to complete this

Idea Development

Concept 1 : Sidewalk Design

This concept is to creat interaction between people,by making the original sidewalk into a kind of stomp-a-mole game. For instance we can male every bricks with a led light built inside. It may randomly sparkle and react when people's stepping on.

Concept 2 : Grille Design

This concept is develope from the idea of the terrace design. Since the iron grating window and the grille is very common in Taiwan, especilally in the city. It can be consider as the symbol of unconcern. We cau try to change that into a bridge for connecting and communicating neighbors. For example with a pattern that can be change everyday up to the user's mood on it. Or the grilles can connect each other then become a big platform for party.

Concept 3: Time Bank Design

Change the timebank idea into a product. Make the net community carrying out in the real world. Each member has a chip built in their cell phone, which can identify their identity, and big billboards setting up everywhere in the city, refreshing the informaiton of the Time Bank. The members can easily knows if there are any people need help.

Concept 4 : Subway station & Bus stop's Cart Design

There always are some people carrying heavy baggage in these two place . we can develope a new type of the cart, which is more easily and efficient to use when more people with big baggage go togeter.

Idea developments

(1) terrace design

Terrace can be the link between neighbors. We can design a "door" instead of a "wall" to set people's terrace apart. If they want to, neighbors can turn the door down, translated it into a table. They can use this to connect each other. Simply enjoy an afternoon tea with your neighbor , we can break down the visiable and invisiable walls.

concepts
*relationship between 1. neighbors 2. terrace and passengers
*transform the walls into something that can link people together
*sharing the terrace design with beautiful plants with passengers



(2) schedule sharing

Catch the idea of twitter. Set a big board in the lobby of an apartment or building. Inhabitants can share their "must sees" on the board, such as movies, good concerts, etc. They can use mobile phone to send messages on the board. To broaden this idea, they can choose to release a news via words or even pictures. They can reply others opinions as well.

concepts :
*sharing with others
* can be designed for an apartment building or even public space.


(3) Bar bench

Imagine what people would like to do in a park when they want to take a rest. The elders like to sit down chatting or play chess. Students may sit down to read some books. Parents would sit down but also keep an eye on their children around. There are so many different things you can do when sitting on a bench. We can design a bench to satisfy their needs comfortably and considerably. Combing the idea of a bar table, it shall create possible interaction if people want to.

concepts :
*care for different individuals' needs in one design
*form is changable, if strangers want to sit closer to know each other
*satitsfy different users


(4) Bus stop


Combining vending machine, library and seats together. People can sit comfortably in the bus stop. They can have some cool drinks if they want. Passengers can leave their old books there, so others can read while waiting for the bus. If they want to, they can bring the book on the bus and put it in another bus stop after finish it. Use the stop to be one sharing site, every moment can be so valuable.

concepts:
*sharing
*considerate care for people
*care for people of different ages

Universal Ethics Design

From the NCKU website:
According to the ancient classic Chinese writing system, “仁“ (ren) literally means the close interpersonal relationship between two individuals that comes from the sincere heart. “仁” (ren) is also the core value of Confucianism, which has been deeply developed and implemented by the global Chinese communities for a long time. This character describes the loving and caring attitude towards others, the society, country and the world to accomplish elegance, excellence and harmony in daily life.
“Universal Ethics Design” (仁品設計) is developed based on “仁” (ren) and integrates product design and service systems. By combining tangible and intangible elements, “Universal Ethics Design” is expected to transform objects into ethical products which respect Nature, develop social intelligence, reorganize the social order, hold the society together, and enhance the meaning of life

April 27 Chat discussion

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7:05 PM Rachel: good morning~

Vincent: good morning and good afternoon :)

me: Thanks, You too.

7:06 PM before we get started, could you share what design project you will be presenting

for your past work?

7:07 PM Rachel: you mean for the presentation during the workshop?

me: yes

7:08 PM Rachel: oh! i didn't put it on the website, but i think i can explain here~

me: I will be presenting on an innovation developed for mexican immigrants to Chicago: a combination of a laundromat and english language teaching facility....so they can do laundry and learn English at the same time.

7:09 PM Rachel: oh~is that like a bag?

7:11 PM me: no. A laundromat is a place to do your laundry (wash your clothes) open to the public

Vincent: My project is a new USB device that can communicate people in the office in a delightful way.

me: so you would go there to wash your clothes and learn english.

how does your USB communicate in a delightful way?

Rachel: i see...

7:12 PM Vincent: Recall the memory of writing on the wall

me: so the USB would project a message from someone else in the office?

Vincent: yes

me: that's fun!

7:13 PM Rachel: cool

me: how about yours, rachel?

Rachel: mine is a little bookmarker. with the pass of time, it will gradually change its color to remind reader to take a rest.

me: so you don't read too much?

7:14 PM Rachel: the change will be activateby bending it, and will recover after use

ha~for me yes

me: very clever!

Rachel: but once i read i just want to finish it once

me: me too...if it's a good book.

Rachel: and never take a rest

Vincent: ha me too

7:15 PM me: OK. Now on to Ren!

Rachel: i just post something on the blog

me: I did earlier too.

7:16 PM Rachel: give me some time to read~

me: Vincent, did you have something you wanted to post?

Rachel: i post some design that i think is simple and interesting

7:17 PM Vincent: no i'm still looking for some product can represent REN for me

me: I think your approach is interesting, Rachel: to build on the principles that would encourage Ren behaviors

7:18 PM Rachel: um...that comes from the WIKI explanation too

ren is something inside

and shall be express from some outside behaviors

7:19 PM me: right.

that was the topic of my post.

Rachel: yep ha

to present some "good humanity"

7:20 PM howevr i think it will be better to not focus on only one characteristic

me: ...like sharing?

Rachel: more is better~

7:21 PM yep that's only one elemnt

me: I like the idea of subtly encouraging people to do and be better.

7:22 PM Sharing is an easy principle to do that with

Rachel: yes.

i saw another good design with similar idea

7:23 PM (forgot the website though)

it's a public seat

me: Are there homeless people in Taiwan?

7:24 PM Rachel: sure~

Vincent: sure

Rachel: but it's for passengers actually~

me: what if there was a system to help encourage people to help homeless people

—different idea

7:25 PM Rachel: that's really "REN"

can be one direction~

7:26 PM help means to help them back to work

Vincent: but we have to think about "how"

me: rachel, what do you mean "can be one direction?"

Rachel: can be one choice of our group work~

7:27 PM me: ah

OK

Rachel: i think we can list many ideas

concept and objectives

7:28 PM if possible we can select 3 good ones today

and think about the detail design later

me: I think that is a good idea.

Vincent: ok

7:29 PM so start brainstorming~

me: OK

so sharing and helping homeless are the first two

7:30 PM Rachel: i think bus stop is another choice too

cause in Taiwan

Vincent: how about redesign a public trashcan

me: what about bus stop?

7:31 PM redesign public trashcan to do what?

Rachel: ha....vincent let me talk first

sorry~

Vincent: sure

me: perhaps a system to get rid of agressive driving

7:32 PM Rachel: another one, yes

bus stop that is designed for people in every age

me: hmm. OK

Rachel: cause when people have to wait in line for a long time

7:33 PM theycan face some troubles, especially for the elders

me: OK

7:34 PM maybe an easily accessible seat inside the bus or train for elders

or a good way to get them there easily

if the bus/train is crowded

Rachel: um...and some design for them if it rains

7:35 PM or if many people don't follow the rules to wait in line

me: maybe a system to help blind people onto the buses easily...a navigation system

Rachel: yes

7:36 PM so for different ages and even for sick pelple, child ...so on

7:37 PM Vincent: but i think if we can let them help each others during the waiting will be great

me: yes...let people help people

Rachel: that combines the idea of sharing

Vincent: It's difficult though

yes

7:38 PM me: perhaps we could look at helping family members who have been in a fight or feud, to resolve their differences

7:40 PM Rachel: or some furniture that can help the family members to get along with eachother well

and to welcome guest

design for more and better interaction

7:41 PM me: or maybe something that is a game, but also a relationship strengthener

Rachel: ha

interesting

though i think we can broaden this to neighbors

or more people

7:42 PM that suits REN mote

me: yeah

Rachel: more

Vincent: invite other people into the game

Rachel: how about terrace

me: terrace?

7:43 PM Rachel: we can think about some areas that people may meet people

and put our design there to create more possibility

7:44 PM me: and facilitate their meeting?

Rachel: facilitate and create interation

interaction

7:45 PM there's one project in Taipei now

Vincent: It can be a bus stop:)

7:46 PM Rachel: ha

me: bus stop: cure for the world's ills

;)

Rachel: i was talking about the problems we have in Taiwan

do you have any in the US

7:48 PM me: I think that being unkind is a general universal problem

Rachel: um...

Vincent: it's true

me: that is manifested in driving, in stealing, in making rude gestures

Rachel: and being unconcerned

me: yeah...unconcerned.

7:49 PM Rachel: common problems in cities

me: Perhaps we could develop a way to get over being unconcerned with others.

Vincent: free hugs

7:50 PM me: hah ha ha ha

Rachel: ha~

me: that's funny!

Rachel: i am so afraid of that actually

Vincent: why?

me: you know, we become very concerned with other people, whose blogs we read

and we don't even know them.

7:51 PM what if we had a way to safely

view blogs of people in your neighborhood, so that you could know them and be concerned about them when you meet them

7:52 PM —if you know someone's story, you might be able to better have empathy for them

7:53 PM perhaps blogs aren't the right tool...but maybe something similar

Rachel: twitter

me: that isn't quite as story oriented

but it's possible

7:56 PM Rachel: there's some website promoting the idea of helping others

i forgot the name, probably "time bank"?

me: talk more about that.

Rachel: you can save time as money in that net bank

7:57 PM me: Perhaps we could think about sharing umbrellas in the rain...like if the person is willing to share, a light turns on at the top, and wet people could step inside

Rachel: and you can provide your telent and professional

oh~that's lovely

Vincent: It's cute

7:58 PM me: and then they would talk and get to know each other.

Rachel: right

me: and someone is sharing too.

7:59 PM Rachel: i think that's a pretty good idea

simply touch the topic

8:00 PM me: just have to figure out how to make it safe...

8:01 PM perhaps your phone could tell somehow that the person with the umbrella is safe...

Vincent: ha

8:02 PM me: maybe there is an adjoining internet service that facilitates

Rachel: or you have to register when you buy

me: yeah

It might go against the idea of Ren, but perhaps someone could get "friendly points" for sharing or something

8:03 PM Vincent: make it into a community

me: like couch surfing...have you guys heard of that?

8:04 PM Vincent: no

me: http://www.couchsurfing.com/

8:05 PM it's a community of people that volunteer their couch for visitors (they have never met) in exchange to be able to sleep on other people's couches in other cities

Vincent: hmm I see

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8:06 PM me: where did rachel go?

Vincent: I don't know too

maybe her computer crashed

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Rachel: i click on the link and it log me out= =

me: hmm whoops

8:08 PM Rachel: how? sorry let's continue

me: so we have several ideas/areas on the table

8:09 PM Rachel: bus stop
Terrace
umbrella

homeless

me: driving

Rachel: domething for family

8:10 PM me: overcoming unconcern

Rachel: create interaction

trnsform net service to product

Vincent: resolving fight

8:11 PM Rachel: let strangers help others

me: oooh yeah. Maybe it would be a service that connected neighbors who needed help with something, with surrounding peopel

8:12 PM do you have craigslist in taiwan?

looks like it.

Vincent: actually not

8:13 PM especially in the city

me: maybe there would be something where you could post "I am moving, need help" and people from the neighborhood would volunteer to help

or, "I need someone to take care of my dog for a day" etc

that way, strangers would help strangers, and also get to know each other.

8:14 PM Rachel: that shall combine net service

8:15 PM about the time bank that i mentioned

me: Oh, OK

Rachel: it's like members can upload their telent and profession

and upload their needs

8:16 PM such as : my mom needs someone to talk to when i am away for vacation

me: thats a funny need.

Rachel: ha

things like this

and you can save more money when you offer more

8:17 PM and you can get more people to help you using the money you earn

me: OK. so are there more ideas out there?

8:19 PM Vincent: I think the way people use public trashcan is a big problem in taiwan

me: talk more about that.

8:20 PM Vincent: some people didn't treat it as they do in their own house

just throw everything

then go away

8:21 PM me: Like the throw garbage not in the can?

Vincent: yes

me: OK

Vincent: and another case is if there are no public trashcan around

8:22 PM people will throw their garbage into anything look like a "can"

me: yeah, I have seen that here in US

8:23 PM Rachel: feel less guilty probably

8:25 PM me: hmm

Guys...add what I missed here.

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8:31 PM Rachel: 您已經受邀加入此聊天室！

yeah!

8:32 PM me: OK

back.

so we have several ideas now.

Would it be OK with you two if we posted our chat conversations on the blog...just so we have everything in one place?

8:33 PM Rachel: ok!

Vincent: ok

Rachel: actually i lost some of them when i am away

sad

8:34 PM me: me too...so perhaps I will post what I have, and you can add anything that I might have missed

Vincent: that will be fine

Rachel: i think we can develop these ideas more this week

me: yes.

do we want to come up with three that we all agree on?

Rachel: and has to conclude some basic concepts

8:35 PM three or more is ok

8:36 PM Vincent: ok

8:37 PM Rachel: bus stop
Terrace
umbrella
homeless
driving
something for family
overcoming unconcern
create interaction(eg.something place on the street)
trnsform net service to product
resolving fight
let strangers help others
trashcan
net service to product

is that all?

me: I think so...

I like the helping the homeless...and the umbrella and overcoming unconcern

8:38 PM I also like the time bank idea, but is that already done? I don't know the difference between the proposed idea and what already exists

Rachel: that's already done for the net service

me: OK

8:39 PM Rachel: but if we can promote this via some product

Vincent: I like umbrella and resolving fight and let strangers help each others

Rachel: that's ok still

Vincent: yes

8:40 PM Rachel: i like Terrace,overcoming unconcern,net service to product

8:41 PM me: net service to product means turning time bank into a tangible good?

8:42 PM Rachel: yes~

or other ideas like a twitter

or blog

8:44 PM i think we can do this all if we want to,

for this week

me: so we each develop our three different ideas?

Rachel: each one for 2-3, ideas that we pick

8:45 PM me: OK. Fair enough.

Rachel: ha

Vincent: ok

Rachel: we can leave our suggestions on the blog

me: Let's have them posted 24 hours before our next chat, so we have time to review them. Can you do that>

?

8:46 PM Rachel: ok!!

Vincent: sure

Rachel: and that's necessary

can Matthew post our discussion on first?

8:47 PM i will read them to recall some memory~

me: yes. I will post them right now.

Rachel: um! so let's meet next week^^

8:48 PM me: same time?

Rachel: for me ok

Vincent: me too

8:49 PM Rachel: then, for next week-> same time for discussion, and post on the blog one day before, give some feedbacks on the blog too

8:50 PM me: sure. sounds good.

thanks guys!